Negative Campaigning

It would seem that negative campaigning is not working for Hillary Clinton. This week’s Economist explains why (The end draws nigh):

The art of negative campaigning is, surely, to draw a contrast between yourself and your opponent. But Mrs Clinton has only managed to point out similarities – such as the fact that he has connections with lobbyists (just like her) or that he will not commit to public financing (unlike Mr McCain but just like her). This is tantamount to saying vote for me because we are both just as bad.

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76 responses to “Negative Campaigning

  1. If anyone watched West Wing, one understands how carefully options are weighed in US politics before resorting to negative campaigning, which is viewed as a weapon of last resort – and a potentially double-edged one at that. Hillary’s predicament confirms this.

    No such nuanced considerations in Maltese politics, I guess!

  2. And your point is, exactly?

  3. My point is that Hillary Clinton is finding that negative campaigning is not working to her favour. Strangely it seems to be because all it does is offer two bad choices to the target audience. Draw any conclusions you may. Or spin any spin you prefer. Depending on your preferred logic/mode of action.

    My conclusion – which is not in the post – is that negative campaigning is a double-edged sword. Wield it at your peril.

  4. Daphne, you should watch the last two seasons of West Wing…might give you a new perspective.

  5. Dispassionate, I’m almost tempted to call your last comment ridiculous, but there’s not quite the need for that. The West Wing – and here I am more than willing to concede the excellence of the Sorkin seasons, at the very least – has as much in common with the real practice of national politics in the United States as…I don’t know…CSI shares with day-to-day crime scene investigation: in each case, the art presents an idealised version of reality using the same instruments for an entirely exaggerated result (again, this doesn’t demean the artistic accomplishment). Anyone with more than a passing interest in American politics will be able to tell you that negative campaigning and negative advertisments have a long and illustrious history in national U.S politics. If you want evidence of this that is of recent vintage, then you need only google the phrase ‘Swift Boat Veterans For Truth’ and see what comes up.

    Having said that, I do agree with you that over-the-top personal attacks ought to be unnecessary. If Prime Minister X and Dr X is going to be SO bad for the country, then it ought to be possible to point out the reasons why this is the case without the need for namecalling. When it does occur, I think that for the most part it’s a sign of frustration on the part of the writer, who feels that in spite of what, to them, seems to be overwhelming evidence in support of his (or her, for that matter) opinion, not enough people are being convinced. Of course, this is politics, not mathematics, and as such, it’s the province of highly irrational beings – why anyone would expect that people would vote with their eyes, ears and minds instead of their hearts (oftentimes filled with petty resentments) is entirely beyond me.

  6. Sometimes negative campaigning works. But you need something REALLY negative – a proven scandal is the best example.

    Hillary’s negativity has only come as a last resort.

    America is changing. Ron Paul’s “truthiness” (as Colbert would say) still resounds in voters’ ears… more by the day, especially on the Internet… even if this is not reflected in the votes he garners in primaries and caucuses (an effect of the I-don’t-want-to-waste-my-vote syndrome after the MSM had pushed forward “The Frontrunners”, and also of the high percentage of warmonger Republicans as opposed to the Libertarian, pro-peace, pro-people Ron Paul).

    With Kucinich and Gravel dismissed by the MSM even before they could say ‘Hi’, freedom lovers on the Democrats’ side are now flocking around Obama.

    Most anti-war Democrats are rather disillusioned with their party’s support to finance the troops surge in Iraq – this after electing them in Congress and the Senate in November 2006.

    Hillary is seen as another neo-con warmonger, even if M. Lewinsky’s former lover is still popular among the wide-eyed. Obama is fresh and relatively unknown. He did not have occasion to vote in favour of the war, so it is easier for him with the anti-war crowd (Hillary voted FOR the war in Iraq)… and even if Obama plays around with words when it comes to his support for troop withdrawal, never specifying WHEN – and he’s got a good military excuse for that.

    So Obama, also a member of the notorious Council for Foreign Relations, is the fakest fake in town.

    The annointed ones had been Giuliani the Snake and Hillary the Fake. Giuliani was outdone by Ron Paul; Hillary suffers. It’s the first time in recent American history when the nominees are not yet known after February’s “Super Tuesday” when 23 States had their primaries and caucuses.

    But with whom am I “communicating” here? Mal-Melitensin u l-Gawdoxin… 🙂

    …there, a smiley from me.

    Ha mmur naghmel te, hi…

  7. Talking about campaigns, I think all of you heard about today’s leaked cabinet memo. Apart from its implications, any guesses who might have leaked the document? Do you think its the result of a disgruntled cabinet minister, p$!# off because they have been sidelined during the campaign? any thoughts?

  8. Speaking about Ron Paul… here’s an article that sums up how I feel about voting for Alternattiva Demokratika, or for any other small party or candidate, in the upcoming elections.

  9. Excellent link to article dwardu!!!

  10. Jacques,

    I agree fully that negative campaigning is a double edged sword. It worked once, it might well work a second time but in the long term it will prove disastrous. They managed to convince people in 2003, they might just manage to do so in 2008 but come next election what will they say? Their core voters will just continue to dwindle and probably never return back to the fold.

  11. [I meant I agree that the link is excellent]

  12. Nice one, Dwardu.

    And for those who do not know who Ron Paul is, get acquainted, even in these times of obsession toward the Gonzi-Sant melodrama… see how a true statesman speaks, as opposed to the political hubris the world has become accustomed to (and that includes our isles).

    This is just one of Ron Paul’s speeches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7eDornsPg

  13. The greatest Republican ever.

  14. Keith, keb, I’m very happy you read it and liked it.

    Keith, he definitely is.

    I must admit that I’m also quite excited to discover that I’m not the only Maltese follower of Ron Paul!

  15. Dispassionate: the only television I watch is Eastenders, and at the moment, NET and Super One. I’m more of a reader than a TV-watcher.

    Jacques: negative campaigning is an essential part of political campaigning when you have a ‘foe’. The important thing is that it is balanced against positive campaigning (telling everyone how great you are as well as how bad your foe is). This isn’t rocket science. You have to remind voters of what’s bad in your opponent as well as what’s good with you.

    Another important point is that negative campaigning must have a ring of truth and hit home with the audience/reader if it is going to work. They have to be able to identify with what you’re saying. So negative campaigning against Sant didn’t work in 1996 because he was ‘new’ (inverted commas, because he wasn’t – people just hadn’t noticed him yet) but it was very effective in 1998 and 2003, because people would see the negative publicity about him/his government and nod in recognition. They had had experience of his behaviour/administration/way of double-talking. It didn’t take long for the word ‘misprints’ to enter the vernacular as a term for the Labour way of doing things in this campaign, and it’s going to stick around for a while. That’s not because of any negative campaigning; it’s because ordinary people picked it up and began joking about it.

    Don’t assume that the only negative campaigning is organised by the political parties. Most of it takes place far away from HQ, at parties, in coffee-shops and round the water-cooler at the office. There have already been a hundred rude jokes about Sant’s investigative mission to Maghtab, which don’t bear repeating here, but you can imagine the general drift.

    As for the rest, I’m not that interested in US politics. My view about the American presidential race is pretty much AD’s view on the Maltese prime ministerial race: I don’t care which one gets in because they’re all pretty much alike to me and it doesn’t make any difference to my life. At least I’m saying that about a place half a world away on another continent, and not our own tiny islands.

  16. Hillarious’s worst enemy is her “husband” and the fact that they thought it was gonna be a cakewalk, so Bubba started belittling Hussein the Marionette and it is backfiring.
    As for Ron Paul, he’s just another Nader or Norm….lots of rhetoric….nothing else.

    The two best candidates were Edwards and Romney…..they both dropped out.

  17. I discovered Ron Paul watching Bill Maher’s show on youtube. Couldn’t believe he was a republican. Defintely doesn’t need a speaker in his ear to say something smart… A truly great man. Hell, I like him much, much better than any Maltese candidate.

  18. Keith….Bioll Maher’s show is a COMEDY and RoPa fit real good.

  19. It just had to be the Daphne VS Sandro feud to bring Maltafly.com back.

  20. Keith Chircop… have you ever listened to Emmy Bezzina? ^_^

    He may not be the same ‘flavour’ as Ron Paul… but he is a great orator imho.

  21. Dward, after 10 months totally drunk on Ron Paul and a two-week hangover, I crept back into the European scene… trying hard to get into the Maltese election feel… but I still find it flat and grey.

  22. No, never listened to The Emm.

  23. Well Keith, you’re the first Ron Paul supporters I met in Malta. Glad to know some Maltese do get The message.

    Long live the Ron Paul Revolution 😉

  24. I discovered Ron Paul in 1999, through the Homepage of J Orlin Grabbe… so you can imagine how happy I was to see such passionate following and sponatneous grassroots action. He himself never anticipated it.

    And then there was that snake, JulieAnnie the crossdresser (Rudy Giuliani to the unitiated) – I have dispised that fascist since my criminology course in the early 90s – he was the mayor of New York who wrecked the lives of the very poor by deporting them to prison cages, including the homeless… he’s also the one who famously said:

    “Freedom is Authority”

    Orwellian to the letter!

  25. LOL… Daphne, my wife is obsessed with Eastenders…

    You do have something in common then.

    I find it, well… too late to catch up?

    Never had the courage to watch it anyway – but I still know quite a lot – it seeps through.

  26. Well you might want to. He is contesting the same district that I am (9th) and also the 1st but he is a great example of what a liberal politician could be. ^_^

    Just a side-note of course :c)

  27. “James Cauchi Says:

    February 27, 2008 at 11:32 pm
    Keith Chircop… have you ever listened to Emmy Bezzina? ^_^

    He may not be the same ‘flavour’ as Ron Paul… but he is a great orator imho.”

    Beats Basil Fawlty anyday for entertainment value.
    🙂

  28. ” Daphne Says:

    February 27, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    As for the rest, I’m not that interested in US politics. My view about the American presidential race is pretty much AD’s view on the Maltese prime ministerial race: I don’t care which one gets in because they’re all pretty much alike to me and it doesn’t make any difference to my life. At least I’m saying that about a place half a world away on another continent, and not our own tiny islands.”

    Gasp!
    You are joking arent you?!
    A natural disaster in that part of the world, no matter how insignificant ,eventaully ends up affecting the economy of the rest of the world including that of our own tiny islands because of its consequences on the price of oil., let alone x ‘hobz jiekel the new leader of the wester world.

  29. He is a great entertainer but the message that he delivers is anything but hollow. One can only anticipate that his video interview shall be published upon Sandro Vella’s site in a timely fashion.

    – – –

    Ron Paul is an individual who seems to wish well (and he has not been given nearly sufficient media attention (understatement)). My only criticism of himself (and I’d much rather see Ron Paul get nominated than McCain…) is that he seems to site the US constitution a little ‘too’ often. Loyalty to the constitution is great but perhaps a little ‘too’ conservative for my personal liking – but thats just a matter of flavour perhaps.

  30. “Daphne Says:

    February 27, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Jacques: negative campaigning is an essential part of political campaigning when you have a ‘foe’. The important thing is that it is balanced against positive campaigning (telling everyone how great you are as well as how bad your foe is). This isn’t rocket science. You have to remind voters of what’s bad in your opponent as well as what’s good with you.

    Another important point is that negative campaigning must have a ring of truth and hit home with the audience/reader if it is going to work. They have to be able to identify with what you’re saying. So negative campaigning against Sant didn’t work in 1996 because he was ‘new’ (inverted commas, because he wasn’t – people just hadn’t noticed him yet) but it was very effective in 1998 and 2003, because people would see the negative publicity about him/his government and nod in recognition. They had had experience of his behaviour/administration/way of double-talking. It didn’t take long for the word ‘misprints’ to enter the vernacular as a term for the Labour way of doing things in this campaign, and it’s going to stick around for a while. That’s not because of any negative campaigning; it’s because ordinary people picked it up and began joking about it.

    Don’t assume that the only negative campaigning is organised by the political parties. Most of it takes place far away from HQ, at parties, in coffee-shops and round the water-cooler at the office. There have already been a hundred rude jokes about Sant’s investigative mission to Maghtab, which don’t bear repeating here, but you can imagine the general drift.”

    Is “negative campaigning”, a politically correct phrase meaning systmatic character assassinations , smear campaigns and besmirching reputations for a living ? What happens when innocent third parties get hurt in the process? Doesnt your conscience ever bother you?
    😦

  31. Le Jacobin: totally agree with you on the gist of what you said. Just keep in mind that my suggestion was aimed at someone who (as confirmed in her subsequent post) appeared unfamiliar and uninterested in the underlying dynamics of US politics… so the equivalent of a Beginner’s Guide is needed 🙂

    But you also have to admit that the parallels of WW with the current US campaign are uncanny..I will stop here on this not to get out of subject of thread, but WW aficionados will get my point.

  32. An honest query:

    Ron Paul feels the USA should not be part of the United Nations. How do you Ron Paul fans explain that?

  33. Keb, please ask you wife for an Eastenders update and pass it on. I haven’t been able to watch it for the past three weeks or so because of my workload. I hope nobody’s died/run off with the vicar/had twins and I missed the excitement.

    Gamma: US politics – I was being ironic. But your response is pretty much my reaction to AD’s position on who gets into government here.

    Gamma again: I don’t do any character assassination/bersmirching/whatever. I write a newspaper column for a pretty squeamish newspaper, and not for Viva Malta or Maltafly. I just list the facts and comment on them. That’s what the role of a commentator is. It’s not more common because people tend to prefer keep their heads below the parapet here. But if you read the London broadsheets you’ll see there’s no difference. And some of the columnists there are much, much ruder than I am – try Jeremy Clarkson, for example. I suppose Maltese humour is different, which is why my readers tend to be split between those who get it and those who don’t, taking even the most ironic comment literally and getting hysterical about it.

  34. Some thoughts and definitions….

    Positive campaigning = pointing out the advantages of a choice
    Negative campaigning = pointing out the disadvantages of an alternative choice

    In both positive and negative campaigning similar means and methods are used.

    Both positive and negative campaigns are being run by all parties, including those on the fringe.

    Character assasination does not always involve third parties. The actions of a particular person can do much to undermine the same person’s attempts to create a positive public image.

  35. @Daphne

    I don’t do any character assassination/bersmirching/whatever. I write a newspaper column for a pretty squeamish newspaper, and not for Viva Malta or Maltafly. I just list the facts and comment on them. That’s what the role of a commentator is. It’s not more common because people tend to prefer keep their heads below the parapet here. But if you read the London broadsheets you’ll see there’s no difference. And some of the columnists there are much, much ruder than I am – try Jeremy Clarkson, for example. I suppose Maltese humour is different, which is why my readers tend to be split between those who get it and those who don’t, taking even the most ironic comment literally and getting hysterical about it.

    ***Gamma replies in a cynical by truthful fashion;

    You’re writing for the wrong paper.
    Try Maltatoday.
    That’s more your scene.

  36. ” Cora Says:

    February 28, 2008 at 12:41 pm
    Some thoughts and definitions….

    Positive campaigning = pointing out the advantages of a choice
    Negative campaigning = pointing out the disadvantages of an alternative choice

    In both positive and negative campaigning similar means and methods are used.

    Both positive and negative campaigns are being run by all parties, including those on the fringe.

    Character assasination does not always involve third parties. The actions of a particular person can do much to undermine the same person’s attempts to create a positive public image.@

    Some postive thoughts worth pondering on;

    A wise old eastern sage (not a hated fundametalist local “Ayatollah”) once said;

    “When anger arises, think of the consequences”

    “Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated.”

    “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”

    “It does not matter how slow you go so long as you do not stop.”

    “Everything has beauty but not everyone sees it.”

    “Respect yourself and others will respect you.”

    “Forget injuries, never forget kindnesses.”

    “The only constant is change.”

    “To see what is right and not to do it is want of courage.”

    Regards.

  37. @Daphne: I am truly amazed at your choice in TV, Daphne. I mean, surely Eastenders is down there on the bottom rung of the big World of Television, together with the likes of Dejjem Tieghek Becky, Coronation Street and other productions of the same ilk. You can do better than that!

    I am also amazed when you say that you are not interested in US politics because it does not affect you, when we all know very well that anything the US does affects us all. As the World’s only super-power, it is inevitable that it is so. So there I agree with Gamma, although I do note that you later said that you were being ironic.

    @ James Cauchi: I agree with you about Emmy Bezzina. I basically never see eye to eye with him, but he’s a great talker, great orator, quite charistmatic …and also very entertaining, which is very important! Lots of fine gray matter up there and all that. Pity he’s always on the other side of the fence!

    Re Negative Campaigning: Both parties are doing it at the moment, but you all know which party I think excels most in this sort of thing, making it the very basis of it’s electoral campaign. Many times, instead of hearing what we’re going to get when Biggy B is in power, all we get is a mud-slinging campaign, with never a mention of how they are going to solve the myriad problems they mention when Biggy B makes it. That is negative campaigning. If they could all pipe down on this sort of campaigning, then maybe it would be all the more pleasant for all of us.

  38. “f they could all pipe down on this sort of campaigning, then maybe it would be all the more pleasant for all of us”.

    Hear Hear.

  39. I’m quite surprised that there are Maltese fans of the Ron Paul rEVOLution (that’s how it’s written on his campaign material). Ron Paul wants to dismantle virtually every federal institution, wants to dismantle every international institution (including UNICEF, although he’s not too sure of that one), is an isolationist by another name, wants a return to the gold standard and the list goes on. Now the man makes some valid points that are worthy of discussion, but even his most laudable policy – his opposition to the Iraq war – is somewhat overshadowed by his opposition to US involvement in WW2. Sure, he makes a principled and intriguing argument on many fronts, but being intriguing does not equate with being convincing.

  40. As I said before….RoPa is another just a comedian….and a RACIST one at that.

  41. Vince, at the risk of being pedantic and boring everyone else, I’m not sure that Ron Paul himself is racist. I think that the racist material from the 90s highlights his incompetence in vetting work produced on his behalf – he responded to the racism charges moderately convincingly by citing his libertarian view that all people are individuals, not constituent parts of groups.

  42. This blog can be a pretty harsh place at times. But saying that Eastenders is on the bottom rung of TV is just too much. Where’s the Moderator when you need him?

  43. lol patrick

  44. Raphel, could you please tell someone to upload all the pages of today’s Maltatoday and not just the center page. I would gladly buy the paper but Maltese papers are really hard to find here in Brussels..

  45. Life is elsewhere, R. Wake up and smell the coffee.

  46. Gamma – my attitude to Malta Today is pretty much the same as Lawrence Gonzi’s to AD: I’m not going into business with people who have made it their business to undermine me, and whose columnists have devoted the electoral campaign to writing about me (as though I’m running for office) instead of writing about, say (and I’m hitting out wildly here) Alfred Sant. Besides which, I’m perfectly happy where I am, thanks.

  47. Moggy: I loved Dejjem Tieghek Becky too.

  48. Dejjem Tieghek Becky!!! ah… there was a particularly good season…

  49. ” Daphne Says:

    February 29, 2008 at 8:50 pm
    Gamma – my attitude to Malta Today is pretty much the same as Lawrence Gonzi’s to AD: I’m not going into business with people who have made it their business to undermine me, and whose columnists have devoted the electoral campaign to writing about me (as though I’m running for office) instead of writing about, say (and I’m hitting out wildly here) Alfred Sant. Besides which, I’m perfectly happy where I am, thanks.”

    Thanks for replying.

    But on several occasions in the not too distant past, the views expressed in your opinion pieces were perceived by many as being almost identical with those exprssed in several opinion pieces in Maltatoday .

    Finally , do you feel that it is rather ironical that a selfavowed liberal like your good self would feel comfortable “carrying the flag” so to speak, for a political party whose traditional slogan has been “Religio Et Patria”?

    Or has that slogan been discarded now by the present day GonziPN party?

    Please understand that what I am asking are not trick questions but what plenty of traditional and conservative PN supporters have been pondering about of late. Some indeed feel that the PN “tal Maduma” has been hijacked somewhere along the way and feel completely estranged to the new GonziPN set up.

  50. The right-wingers in the Nationalist Party are safely corralled, Gamma. Look at the newer candidates – how many of those would you describe as ‘religio et patria’? Pippo Psaila is the exception that proves the rule. His interview replies on marriage/religion caused a fuss precisely because they are dissonant with those of his colleagues. As a liberal with a strong sense of irony (and of humour), I would take no small delight in bearing the Religio et Patria banner. I would certainly find it more amusing than supporting the po-faced Puritans at AD, with their increasingly Savonarola-like (“I condemn you all!”) leader. I have a sneaking feeling that ‘government’ by AD would be something akin to an intolerant dictatorship by Oliver Cromwell’s Roundheads. All that morose and sanctimonious posturing – it’s just too much. It makes me want to send a troupe of strippers and a few crates of whisky to their party ‘activities’.

  51. But AD, God bless them , are all out in favour of the “ALL DIFFERENT ALL EQUAL” stand and all that its consequences. They , and the people supporting the main candidates behind the scenes , also favour all the appriopriate causes like enviorment issues , gay rights, euthanasia, divorce, abortion, the Africanization of Malta for humanitarian reasons, anti-hunting, promoting other faiths in lieu of the traditional faith in Malta etc.

    How can you possibly he against AD? Some of your opinion pieces of these last few years, co-incide perfectly with what they stand for.

    Re your comments here;

    “The right-wingers in the Nationalist Party are safely corralled, Gamma. Look at the newer candidates – how many of those would you describe as ‘religio et patria’? Pippo Psaila is the exception that proves the rule. His interview replies on marriage/religion caused a fuss precisely because they are dissonant with those of his colleagues”

    Are you insinuating that the GonziPN team is a bunch of hypocrites only paying ip service to the family and traditional values they have been upholding continuously on bill boards, conferences, debates,meetings tv programs etc???

    Is the Religio Et Patria slogan still valid or not, or do conservative Maltese catholics now have to look elsewhere whn voting for a party upholding the principles they hold so dear to their hearts?

    Some , do have principles you know, that are definitly not for sale, no matter what the price.

  52. Daphne, I think that you will soon be calling the AD leadership a sect of close -minded, intollerant, bigotted Opus Dei followers .

    Seems that mild ,soft-spoken, shortsighted but well meaning Harry will be next in line for a good old fashioned public lambasting from your goodself on the lines of those you dished out in the past on Norman, Josie, the pro-life group, the anti divorce people, the archbishop, the Opus Dei , Jo Said, the racists, the labourites, the Christians, the fascists , the wardens etc.

    Are you quite sure that the people you aim your ammo at are not in fact benefitting ,ong term, from the simple fact of being your next hapeless targets?

  53. Q. “Look at the newer candidates – how many of those would you describe as ‘religio et patria’?”

    A. Several, including some who have not yet seen their 30th birthday.

  54. “Justin BB Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    Q. “Look at the newer candidates – how many of those would you describe as ‘religio et patria’?”

    A. Several, including some who have not yet seen their 30th birthday.”

    Maybe all practising Catholics should be forbidden to contest general elections in this predominantly Christian country.

    I mean , what better way to proclaim our modern , democratic, liberal, multicultural EU identity then by trampling on the religious sentiments of the majority of the voting public ?

    That would, no doubt make Daphne , Maltatoday and a variety of left wing EU funded pressure groups sharing her views very happy.

    But what happens then?

    Would one have the guts to speak out dispargingly against Islam, when practicing muslims will start presenting themselves for election in a hypothetical future election , in say ten or fifteen years time?

    Islam is not a religion particularly renouned for having much of a sense of humour or a particular tolerance for satire, and muslims are taught that their first allegience is to Islam and not to the country hosting them.

  55. Of course Catholics should be allowed to vote, stand for elections, proclaim their beliefs etc. Nobody suggests that we should trample on the religious sentiments of the majority. The trouble is that the majority imposes its beliefs on a growing minority. Democracy is not only about majority rule but also about respect for diversity, about understanding that the majority should only decide for the minority in matters that affect the entire population rather than in purely personal matters such as divorce and same-sex marriages.

    As for Islam, several aspects of that that religion, including but not limited to its gender inequalities, are incompatible with liberal norms, as is islamophobia.

  56. Daphne: I am aghast at your revelation about Dejjem Tieghek Becky! Who would have ever thought it?

  57. “Justin BB Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    As for Islam, several aspects of that that religion, including but not limited to its gender inequalities, are incompatible with liberal norms, as is islamophobia”.

    As some one once said; it is no use preaching the benefits of vegetarianism to a sheep when the lurking wolf remains steadfastly a carnivore.

  58. “Justin BB Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    Of course Catholics should be allowed to vote, stand for elections, proclaim their beliefs etc. Nobody suggests that we should trample on the religious sentiments of the majority”.

    Wow , praise Allah for that! I will actually be allowed to run for elections and vote in the brave new world of EU-sponsored left-wing liberal multiculturalism, even when I will form part of a Christian minority.

    I hope that any Serb-Kosovar refugee who may be lurking around this blog take notice of what is being said here.

    Thank YOU!
    😉

  59. “Moggy Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 3:02 pm
    Daphne: I am aghast at your revelation about Dejjem Tieghek Becky! Who would have ever thought it?”

    and I am speechless.

  60. I like the way Daphne never refers to Franco Galea among the nationalist young blood. i wonder why?

  61. Yesterday no mention was made on Xarabank of the survey it conducted this week. Does anyone have any details about the results?

  62. Democracy is not only about majority rule but also about respect for diversity, about understanding that the majority should only decide for the minority in matters that affect the entire population rather than in purely personal matters such as divorce and same-sex marriages.

    Same-sex marriages will be a matter that does not effect the entire population rather than the personal only when states crease to give the many advantages they give to married people at the expense of single people.

    Incidentally, when the Malta Gay Rights Movement (MGRM) met with the Nationalist Party and the Party reps said that rights should be given to opposite and same sex couples and siblings living together the MGRM came out saying that in such considerations relationships between siblings should not be put on par with same-sex relationships.

  63. Fausto, there are two facets to the issue – one is symbolic and that will not affect anyone but the couples that wish to get married. The other facet is fiscal and will, if accepted, have an indirect effect on third parties that would likely be minor.

    As for MGRM, I expect that their objection is to the symbolism of the government’s proposal. On the face of it, there is no reason to treat people that cohabit in different ways on the basis of their sexual activities; the property problems are identical whether they are siblings or lovers. However, from a symbolic perspective it is slightly insensitive to tell a gay rights movement that their rights will be equated with those of siblings.

  64. Gamma – are you one of Alfred Sant’s little elves, by any chance? I ask because they all seem to spell intolerant with a double ‘l’ as you do.

  65. “Raphael Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    I like the way Daphne never refers to Franco Galea among the nationalist young blood. i wonder why?”

    I am surprised that you refer to him often though .
    How come?

  66. Daphne Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 10:03 pm
    Gamma – are you one of Alfred Sant’s little elves, by any chance? I ask because they all seem to spell intolerant with a double ‘l’ as you do.

    I have been called worse names by better men in the past , but most certailny not an “elf”.
    🙂

  67. Keith Chircop Says:

    March 1, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    Yesterday no mention was made on Xarabank of the survey it conducted this week. Does anyone have any details about the results?

    I have heard some very well-founded rumours regarding the results as I am sure others here have.

  68. I will rephrase the question… does anyone who has details about the Xarabank survey results care to share them with the rest of us?

  69. I’m not entirely sure Daphne, but given that this is a Dionysian moment I will throw caution to the wind and hazard a guess that Gamma’s buddies are rather more sinister than AS and his elves.

  70. “Justin BB Says:

    March 2, 2008 at 3:04 am
    I’m not entirely sure Daphne, but given that this is a Dionysian moment I will throw caution to the wind and hazard a guess that Gamma’s buddies are rather more sinister than AS and his elves.”

    “Them” again!
    🙂 🙂 🙂

  71. Ba ba black sheep ,
    have you any wool?

  72. “Keith Chircop Says:

    March 2, 2008 at 2:40 am
    I will rephrase the question… does anyone who has details about the Xarabank survey results care to share them with the rest of us?”

    Ask DCG why she is running round hysterically in circles all over local cyberspace making a laughing stock of her self?

    The end of the world is nigh.

    The end of the world is nigh.

  73. Daphne, why are my comments being censored on your blog? Who’s the coward now?

  74. You doing the cyber equivalent of a JPO now, chasing her all over the internet when she is so obviously, avoiding you.
    You’re getting in her blog because you are THAT desperate for a good laugh?

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